Marco Ripà (MR):
Ciao Smarties! Hello everyone we are live with our special guest, our known, our well-known personality, Dr Evangelos Katsioulis, who is one of the most intelligent people in the world and a former holder of the title of the highest measured adult IQ globally. If you are enjoying this, please like the video if you like it and please give the video a like, of course. And subscribe to Evangelos' channel. You can expand the box in the description below and click the link, of course. So, we have 12 people at the moment but...

Evan Cat (EC):
Welcome everybody

MR:
Yeah yeah, they will, this number, I hope, will rise. Evangelos could you please introduce yourself to our Italian audience. This channel often explores topics like Logics, logic giftedness, and also psychometric aspects of high-range IQ test, so I'm sure that love to hear more about you and your projects, your idea on a broad range of aspects including life and our personal self assessment, I don't know.

EC:
First of all, Marco, thank you very much for the invite, which it took me five years to accept, to be honest, however, here I am, I'm happy to have a chat with you and happy to communicate with your audience. I'm a Greek Psychiatrist Psychotherapist, Life coach, and I'm the founder of a couple of societies. a bit more than a couple, to be honest and a global Community, World intelligence Network, which was found in 2000, 24 years ago and this Global Community is a hosting environment for high IQ societies. Which practically make me one person who is deeply involved in high IQ communities. I'm interested in assessing abilities and actually I'm even more interested in taking advantage of abilities. That's my main aim, to be honest. So, I've taken a couple of tests myself and uh had some pretty fine scores, which made reference to some media at times, especially in the past. And based on my special interest on intelligence and IQ testing, I met a lot of people and among these people, here you are.

MR:
Yep, I remember the WIN project, you also introduced it in the conference in 2000, in 2012 in Dubai in July, Dubai it's also nice to say

EC:
And we took some fine pictures then

MR:
Yeah have some pictures of that meeting, so you were also the, you won also the GOTY award in 2013 if I'm not getting that wrong, the first time they held the award, so

EC:
Yes I was honored to accept this award it's, it's an honor for me. It's like a recognition of my participation in the high IQ Community, however it's not, when we talk about IQ and high IQ and special abilities and intelligence and appreciation of intelligence, actually we don't talk about Awards and prizes. We talk about a very ground ability, that we need to use in order to improve our lives. That's the main task, the main goal. And that's my, that's what I have in mind actually, how to take advantage of any ability, I may have, and how to make people improve their own lives based on their own abilities. So, actually yes, I received that award, but that's not the big thing in my life.

MR:
Yep I'm sure. Anyway, let's come back to the 'WIN', the 'WIN' project, so, this is an umbrella, an umbrella organization that put together some different, many different high IQ societies from different, with different cut offs, of course. How do you have had this idea and are you still enjoying the project?

EC:
Well, Marco, thanks for the question. It's an interesting question and I hope the answer is interesting too. I was thinking back in 2000, that we need a hosting environment, a supportive environment for people with abilities, for interested people with abilities to offer their abilities, offer their potentials, to benefit Humanity, to benefit other people, to find solutions, to help finding some answers to some general or more specific questions and that was the main idea, actually. How to gather people with abilities, how to create and which way to create a hosting, a proper hosting environment for people to exhibit their abilities and take advantage of them for the benefit of any other and also for themselves.

MR:
Okay, this is a little embarrassing, but I have to say that. You are recognized from your achievements in both supervised and also high-range IQ tests, of course, and your broad expertise spans fields from Psychiatry to Information Technology, I've read, and also Philosophy. You have been featured in numerous media outlets, discussing about intelligence and so my question is can you briefly try to explain which is the difference between high IQ, intelligence and the genius, if that's saying in your opinion. It's hard, a hard question I know.

EC:
Well, the question is about a difference. The thing is, is there any difference at all? A person, who is named, who is titled as genius, apparently affords some abilities. One major ability, that a person, who is named genius has, is intelligence. Intelligence is the potential of applying some analytical skills, excessive thinking, thinking and conceptualizing behind what is obvious, understanding, offering some, criticizing what is going on and taking, taking decisions and actually finding proper solutions. Well, this is a set of skills, which is which is, actually, a descriptive definition of what intelligence is. So, so, in my thinking, a person who is genius or a person who is named genius, a person who has exceptional cognitive abilities has, needs this person to be, to have an assessment in intelligence to actually have a practical application of intelligence, which actually gives some results, gives something, makes a difference. Which is the important thing. So, practically, there is no difference between these terms. The term IQ is... Let's say a few things about IQ. IQ is a psychometric tool. It's something, it's an inventory. Psychologists, apparently, one century ago, developed this tool in order to be able to be in a position to assess raw intelligence. To be honest, a smart person, an intelligent person is quite obvious to be understood by anyone. Is a person who is finding solutions, a person who most likely serves other people or serves himself as a leader or as a person who takes decisions, who finds solutions. That, that's the kind of person, who has abilities. However, the science of psychology needed an instrument, needed an inventory. That's why they developed IQ.

MR:
We are talking about Binet, if I'm not getting that wrong. Then, Catherine Cockster tried to estimate also the IQ of different genius, but this is quite opinionable, maybe. But the first tool, if I am not getting that wrong, was by Binet, Alfred Binet. So have the Binet scale, also with deviation 16.

EC:
And it's one of the most recognized scales, by the way. Still in use, to be honest. The thing is that IQ is a human-made instrument. Intelligence is an ability we have. And genius is the person who has this ability.

MR:
There are different comments but I can't read all of them in real time. Anyway, yeah, he's Greek, of course. Anyway, so you prefer to use standard deviation of 16 rather than the Wechsler scale?

EC:
Actually, the most common deviation in use is the 15 one

MR:
Yeah

EC:
The Wechsler scale. That's the one. As far as I come across a lot of people who are sending me their reports, in order to apply in some of my Societies or they ask for some advice, most of them have results using this scale, the Wechsler scale. Which is a scale, which uses the 15 points. However, the Binet scale, the Stanford Binet scale with the 16 points is also very popular and also let us mention the Cattel scale, which is the 24 scale, which is also quite in use, but not not that much popular as the others.

MR:
Maybe this is interesting, when we are considering the ratio IQ for children, so we can make the comparison between the current age, the real age, and the potential compared to mental age, compared to the real age, so.

EC:
Marco, that's a very interesting point. And we need to make it clear. Just allow me a couple of, one minute, a couple of minutes to explain the major difference between the child IQ and the adult IQ. The child IQ is a ratio. A ratio of the mental age to the physical age.

MR:
Chronological age, sorry

EC:
Exactly, exactly, it's a fraction.

MR:
Yeah.

EC:
It's a fraction of the mental age of the child and the actual age of the child, to the actual age of the child. The adult IQ has a totally different definition. It's actually the rarity, how rare is an individual's performance in the general population. Which is a totally different definition. So, practically, when we give a, when an individual has an IQ of, let's say 120, that means that this specific individual has scored in a specific intelligence assessment, 20 points above the mean. The mean IQ is, in child IQ, both in child IQ and adult IQ, the 100. Well known to everybody, I think. Well, an individual, an adult individual who scored 120, scored 20 points above the mean. Which, given the Gauss distribution, normal distribution, expected distribution of the results, this means that, if we use a deviation of 15, that's a bit above of one deviation. if we use a deviation of 16 that's also a bit above the one deviation for this specific performance. If we use a deviation of 24, that's a bit lower than one deviation above the mean. That's the interpretation of the specific score for an adult. If a child scores 120, that means that he's, the child's mental age is 1.2 times more than his actual chronological, physical age. Which means that, if the child is five years old, based on the specific IQ, his mental age is six years old. You understand it's a totally different concept and we need to make it clear. Because, in many lists around the world, many people refer to child IQ and then, they include in the specific, same list adult IQ performances, which is a totally different concept. So, it's actually a mess, if someone knows the difference. It's actually a mess finding these lists and having mixed results, mixed entries, with adult performances and child performances. Just to make it clear. And thanks for the question actually. It's a pretty interesting one.

MR:
You're welcome. This is a strange comment: Is this sponsored content? No, no. It's just StreamYard, which allow us to stream for free. That's all. Then just me try to read. Oh, Pinco Pallino, hi! He said: How far are we from understanding how exactly the brain works, in its superior faculties (intelligence, memory and creativity). And this leads us to our next question. I have another question, which is: On a related note, I recently asked to ChatGPT 4, 4.0, to estimate its own IQ based on its theoretical performance on multiple choice part recognition tasks. It responded that it could achieve an IQ score of over 200. I really can say, why it says this, he is it, I don't know, ranging anyway 200, ranking among the top 0.001% of people. I directly ask this: take a sample of 100 random adult people and select the people, how do you rank among them in a multiple choice test and it said, it answered that it would rank on the top of any human being. So, while I think that this might be an overly generous self assessment, this is just my opinion, it's still remarkable how quickly AI has advanced in areas like mathematics, logic reasoning and coding. I tried it with python coding and that's the case. So, have you had a chance to test AI yourself and the second question is what's your opinion on its current capabilities, if you have figured it out how is going on?

EC:
Well, let me start my statement, my answer to such a question saying that I'm not an expert I'm not an AI expert and I'm not considering myself not even an I expert, an intelligence expert. I'm just a person, who exhibited some interest in taking some tests. I'm also focused and specialized in mental health and that's my professional involvement. So, actually I'm not very much into the academics or the research of AI. That's Point number one. Secondly, I consider that we are developing. Okay? That's something that no one can deny. We are developing fast. We have developed a very, a very effective tool, which is the artificial part of developing intelligence and practically this intelligence can give us answers can conceptualize, can analyze even, at times, even better than many of us. That's quite a fact today. The thing is that we don't have any ground rules. We don't have any limits, any boundaries how far this development can go and how we can actually take advantage of these developments, instead of, at one time in the future, having to face or having to fight with machines. Or like in some very popular movies, science fiction movies. We need, we are developing something that is very powerful. That's a fact.

MR:
It's coming

EC:
It's like Matrix or whatever else. I mean there are plenty of movies and plenty of creators who tried to approach, such an imagination at that point of time, however in our days, it's not really imagination. It's something that it alive.It is live. it is open and run, open and running for the time being. So, we need to raise some specific boundaries, some specific rules, some ways, some means to control this power. As you can understand this, we are talking about power. And if this power, if a specific individual, let's say, imagine any random human being, could handle, and could direct, and could take advantage, and could take use of this power to go against other people or to go against humanity or even to destroy our civilization, at some point of time in the future, this may be even possible. So, how can we protect ourselves from what we are currently developing in order to benefit ourselves.

MR:
I think...

EC:
We need to think in advance about it.

MR:
I think that in Europe we are quite good at regulation, compared with different countries or systems but, so you are Greek, and you should agree with this, I hope. And how do you think that we are moving in this complex field, since we cannot block something in a country and let it run all over the world. I remember that in Italy, we have blocked ChatGPT for a while, and it hasn't been good and we went nowhere. So, which is the...

EC:
Marco, I think, the thing is not to block the progress or to create any kind of obstacles in such a process. The thing is how to manage it, how to direct it, and how to develop it in a safe way, in a safe context.

MR:
Yeah

EC:
How an authority, and I'm not talking about governments or some specific individuals who could be in charge. I'm talking as Humanity, how we can take advantage of something very powerful that we are currently developing. That's the thing. And in terms of the question, yes, we are in a process that Ai and the current science developments come very close to analyze and understand as much as never before, how our memory works, how our imagination works, and how our mind works. However, we are still in a process. I think it's gonna be more optimistic than actual to say that we achieved that. We haven't achieved that yet, but we are very close.

MR:
Yeah, this led us to my next question, which is about, also about IQ, but obviously we are considering the AI problems. So, what are your thoughts on the current reliability of range IQ tests, especially those, that are unsupervised. Most of them are unsupervised and without time limitations. So, we are considering the classical high IQ test, and so, in the age of AI, like ChatGPT. So, specifically, do you think their reliability has been affected since the public release of ChatGPT 4.0 version especially, and in general after November 2022, when ChatGPT was released to everybody, to the public, so?

EC:
Marco, that's a nice question, by the way. Thanks for asking such a question. As I told you, I'm running a couple of societies, and I'm in the field of high IQ communities for many years, for more than two decades, to be honest. So, each and every day, and let's say, not each and every day, but every few days, I'm receiving letters, emails from people, letting me know that some other, another individual or another group of individuals have compromised specific tests using AI, using discussion chats and forums around the world, from specific countries or worldwide. And I'm getting all these emails that people have compromised everything, almost everything. The thing is that, it's very easy in our days to make a rather deep search, using AI or asking AI to solve specific items or take in advance, even before you take, anyone is taking a test, downloading the test, finding the test somewhere in the internet, or ordering the test. People offer supervised tests around the world to be purchased by anyone. Not only by a specialized one, not by a psychologist one, not by a supervising authority. However, anyone can buy any test. Anyone can.

MR:
Let me just say that me, together with Gaetano Morelli, another recognized IQ personality, wrote and published in the paper, I can't remember the exact year, I mean I think around 2013 or 14, which is about this issue, maybe later, anyway we saw that this fact actually occurs. So, there are people, which are buying and selling supervised IQ tests on eBay, if I am not getting that wrong. It's on educational research this paper. It's available.

EC:
And eBay is the white web. There is also the dark web. We just don't even talk about dark web.

MR:
I've never been on.

EC:
Me neither. Me neither, but there is.

MR:
Yeah, so, so, at the time we released the beta version of, I don't know, if we talked about this at the time. Anyway, we released the numerical version of the first dynamic equality normed IQ test, but it was a very, very hard test. So, random people cannot achieve a positive score usually, only very few people were able to score one or two, as a raw score in that test. So, it's not useful for practical purposes.

EC:
And for compromises. However, if it's very hard, if a test is very hard, you understand, that this test can never be very popular.

MR:
I read a lot of hating comments all related, talking about English, speaking English, and so on. But are you understanding the topics and the meaning of the live. I'm just talking with these random fake accounts on the chat, you know. You have a lot of hating and I'm sure you are also facing this problem on the web. So, just you want to spend so, your spare time, I mean, just click and close the video, and go outside, go play away. So, that's no problem for me. But please, leave the chat for people who are interested in this kind of conversation. Sorry about that.

EC:
Marco, sorry to interrupt, but you can never control that. No matter how polite, how kind you are, how many times you will say the same thing, you cannot, you can never control that. You know better than myself. So... It's okay.

MR:
This is a funny comment in Italian, but I can translate. Anonimo 399 asks you, which is your IQ, so... We have just put it in the title, but...

EC:
Well, if I'm willing to give an answer about my current IQ, I can't, I'm in no position to give an answer, because I haven't been tested myself now or recently. Many, many years ago, when I was taking quite a lot of tests, because I was very eager to see my limits, the maximum performance I could achieve, at that point of time, so, we talk about 2002, 2003, 2004, but I think, I stopped taking any tests since then. The last time I took one was in 2004. So, back then, 20 years ago, my highest performance was, was quite high. It was a performance of almost 200, 198 using a standard deviation of 15, which is 6.66 standard deviations above the mean. Which means that this performance, as we said before a while, we are talking about an adult performance, so it's an estimation of the Rarity of a performance among the general population. That's the interpretation. That's the definition. So, 6.66 standard deviations above the mean means, that it's a performance that can be met by very few people among many billions.

MR:
Quite a few different galaxies, of course.

EC:
Yeah, let's include Mars.

MR:
We are not there yet but there are no doubts that it's very, very high score.

EC:
Including all the humans in the solar system.

MR:
Yes, at least. Laura Mecchi asks or said: May I ask, if, just let me enlarge the screen, if is it in principle possible to account for the intelligence faculty with an observable quantity which has not only on order relation like IQ. I can't, can't understand.

EC:
I'm trying to understand myself.

MR:
Yeah, it's not so easy. Intelligence faculty.

EC:
Is it if IQ, is it the question if IQ is the only means to understand intelligence or to give an estimation and a mathematical estimation of how much intelligent some one is?

MR:
Yeah, maybe we can transpose the the question and ask to ourselves, at least, the problem of defining Consciousness. Which is, may be a very, very difficult task, and nobody has ever been able to define consciousness. So, if we can, I can just try to formulate a question, which is: Do you think we will ever be able to truly define what Consciousness is? And then, could you share your personal understanding or a description of what Consciousness means for you? Without cheating the works by Penrose, or so, which is quite hard to be explained, I think in

EC:
Marco, let me first ask, before I try to answer, let me first ask what do we mean by Consciousness?

MR:
Knowing that we are, we are what we are, so.

EC:
Ah, ok, I got it, I got it.

MR:
Inside the environment and in relation to...

EC:
I got it. Thanks for clarifying that.

MR:
Yeah

EC:
Well, actually, it's the perception, it's the realization and acceptance that someone is alive. First of all. It's the consciousness of living, of being alive. So, practically we need a living being, being able and having the abilities to realize, that the specific, there is a specific existence in us. We are alive ourselves, So, we need a functional mind, a functional body, which both host a functional mind. The soul, the psyche, all the mental abilities are based on functional bodies. That's how we perceive soul in our times. We need a functional body, in order to be in any position to exhibit and conceive anything in terms of how we feel, how we think, in order to think, in order to develop any mental quality. We need a functional body. That's the thing. So, practically, if we are talking now about living beings, about humans, consciousness varies a lot among people. And you know it's a matter, which is very culturally affected and there are some, many cultural interferences there. In different cultures, Consciousness is defined differently.

MR:
During our lifetime and also during the day. So, when we are sleeping, our consciousness is slowing down.

EC:
Yes, it takes a break.

MR:
Takes a break. yeah

EC:
When we go to sleep. However, it's actually a matter of alertness, how alert someone can be and actually it's a perception of existence. Our own existence. And that's our own Consciousness. In terms now of how someone develops his own, their own ethical code, their own direction in life, their own Rights and Wrongs, which also, all of these aspects, all of them have to do with their own, the specific individuals' own definition of what life is and how they perceive themselves in their own lives, you may understand, when we give such a definition, that it's a very subjective term. How anyone and how different people may perceive how their own Consciousness is? How their own ability and their own perception of their own existence is? It varies a lot, to be honest and it's very difficult to offer a generalized and common definition, suitable and appropriate for all of us.

MR:
Unfortunately I have to say that this is a little flame, but I can't avoid to show you that somebody's pretending to be yourself. And this is an account, which I'm reading, Cazziuolis, hello everybody I'm... okay this is...

EC:
Hello, Hello!

MR:
Really a bad thing I think. It's quite embarrassing for...

EC:
Don't bother, Marco, don't bother at all. It's funny.

MR:
Yeah, okay, a laugh and it's... So, another important question, this is quite long to be read, but, What is your philosophy of life? You are a Life coach, of course. Do you believe we are meant to follow a specific mission or it's the purpose of life simply to live. Personally, I think our Collective Consciousness, we are just linking to the previous question. So, I think our Collective Consciousness, which is where we are as a whole species, as human beings, continues to evolve. From time to time with occasional pauses and slow downs. This isn't about a Divine Mission. I am not believing in any God, but rather an evolutionary process that connects all of us, made of Stardust. We are made of Stardust like a famous quotation. And in this Mr Universe we don't know anything basically. So, this is quite hard to ask you. Which is your personal vision of life?

EC:
Well, Marco, thanks for the question. It's an interesting one. Well, I don't think that there is any specific Divine meaning in Life or any special reason that we live. It's a development It's a natural Miracle, to be honest, that we are alive. Nature made its own tricks and we are alive and we have been developed. And actually, I perceive life as an opportunity. As a chance. As our own chance to gain as much safety as we want, and as much satisfaction as we want and as much meaning as we want. And we define our safety, our satisfaction and our own meaning, our own life meaning. So, actually I'm talking about a personalization of how we will take advantage of an opportunity. And temporary, And temporary opportunity. It's a temporary opportunity. That's my definition of life. We have been given a temporary opportunity. And we need, if we can understand that, if we perceive so, if we think so, that, if we agree with what I'm saying, we need to take advantage of it. The thing is that we have been living our own lives in terms of how we came to be alive today. We have been in different periods living our lives and facing specific issues, specific people, having specific experiences. We gathered all these experiences and we have given them, our own interpretations. We understood what we understood from whatever we lived so far. And that's the main difficulty in life. How we can deal with our past, when we need to live our present. That's the difficult issue.

MR:
I think Stephen Hawking would have agreed with you, since you also said that our life is a very big chance, that we need to get, in order to live it. So, there are some different comments. I haven't, so, I don't know which comments to highlight. but there are some stupid questions and comments, but I think this is interesting and IQ-related. I can give, of course, my personal answer, but but it's quite long. So, the problem is that IQ ranking doesn't reflect the real IQ of people listed there. For example, my IQ on the World Genius Directory doesn't reflect any way my real IQ, which is very, it's not, not so high in any case. So, I don't think that this is a true, a good way to evaluate people's cognitive performances or skills or abilities. Anyway, it's just useful for knowing each other and meet some people with the common interest also. So, I think Evangelos' IQ is very, very higher than mine, not up.

EC:
Will you allow me to make a comment on that?

MR:
Of course, sure.

EC:
Well, I've noticed after 20, more than 20 years dealing with the high IQ achievers, and being a part, being a member in high IQ communities, that there are plenty of people, who are taking IQ tests, they are trying their best to achieve the most they can, and that's a very useful for them present in the middle of their own lives, where a lot of other things are missing. A lot of other things, a lot of other aspects, a lot of other choices, a lot of satisfaction, a lot of their own needs are not met, are not satisfied. And these specific people are very obsessed to achieve the highest possible score in order to show to themselves or to exhibit themselves, to give back to themselves that there is something glorious going on with themselves. When, on the other hand, they may be missing a lot. And they may be not happy at all, they may be not satisfied at all, they may be missing even a position, something going on in their lives, they may be missing almost everything. However, a nice IQ, a nice number, a big number gives them some kind of happiness, some kind of recognition, and actually some kind of alibi, that, just because they are so smart, they shouldn't compromise, they shouldn't say yes to what other people are saying yes at, they shouldn't agree. They should disagree all the time. They should do different things. They should be different and be differentiated than any Norm, than anyone around them. So, actually, a high IQ sometimes may be the reason that some people do not come into groups, do not form groups, do not form relationships, do not claim what they want in their own lives. It may well be and it may well stand as an argument that some people will not try to achieve the most in their own lives. And that's not a good thing about IQ. That's actually misery. That's a very unfortunate use of a high achievement, of a high score. However, it's very common.

MR:
Maybe taking a very big number of high IQ tests turns also into an addictive hobby or activity. So, you just keep trying and taking new tests, in order to improve your score on some kind of ranking, but this isn't useful nor you are pushing up your intelligence. It's just a way to try to be satisfied with yourself, when you aren't so good at doing other things or maybe using that great potential putting it into mathematics or writing a novel, I don't know, doing something good for others.

EC:
Marco, I agree with you, but I wasn't referring to the person, who is enjoying himself taking tests or enjoying their own time taking any kind of test or challenging themselves with any new test. It's a new experience anyway. I was talking about people who are missing a lot and they are redirecting their own, they are prioritizing and they are only evaluating, giving high importance taking another test or a subsequent test, in order to increase their own scores because that's, that's all about them. It's totally different.

MR:
If I'm not getting it wrong, Pinco Pallino is a physician, a PhD in physics. Can you confirm, my friend, so? If so, I think that this comment is quite valuable. It's worth read it. So, thank you for the elaborate answer, I agree. Which is very nice compliment. Anyway, different questions, just let me check. Okay, I think this is a real question, not a troll question by some hater. So, achieving a high IQ score could prevent some people from improving their flows, because it will make them, it's the worlds fault, since they are so smart.

EC:
That's what we are talking about. That's the big thing. It's like they give themselves, they recognize, they accept, they understand themselves or they want to understand themselves as been different and as been in a higher position, in a higher rank having exceptional abilities, having the potential to be understood as very capable. However, these specific individuals may take a different direction in their own lives and may not take part in any interaction with other human beings. They may avoid discussing and liaising with other people and trying to find solutions, trying to form groups and form teams and find answers. Just because they are different. Just because they are capable. Just because they give themselves, as we said just before a while, an alibi that they have a paper, they have a number to show to themselves, that they are different and they are something special.

MR:
Not only different, but better. This is the most, so...

EC:
They won't bother, sorry to interrupt, they won't bother to interact with someone with a lower IQ.

MR:
Since I am so smart, they can't understand what I am saying.

EC:
That's a curse, by the way. That's a curse.

MR:
It's quite risky. Simon Gerber: Do you think a nihilistic outlook on life is positive or negative? I think it's a consequence of this kind of situations, but I prefer to leave to Evangelos.

EC:
If it is a nihilistic one, how could it be positive?

MR:
Yep. Dante Terribile said that recognized that these are trolls, troll Factory, trying to put with me everywhere on the web. Anyway, that's all. Have a nice time to them. Different comments. Very.Crazy.Math.Pistols answer, I think that, okay, this is quite long. TalentsHunters, Hi! I am very happy that you can find some time to follow us. Do you see IQ in such way, that in a far future, it could be possible to test IQ with the testee being "passive"? Meaning just observing the brain of the testee from outside. Oh, okay, understand. With some kind of tool to measure their IQ, like blood pressure or so.

EC:
As far as we develop further tools, and as far as science makes more discoveries, so, practically, when we establish, when we have established the level of understanding about our mind functions, that we can relate architecture, relate anatomical architecture and functionality based on anatomical architecture, we can relate this to specific abilities, including intelligence, then at that point of time we won't be, it won't be necessary for anyone to take any test. We will have some, will possibly take a developed PET scan or something like that, and we will have established an understanding at a very close estimate of our abilities.

MR:
This is another question from Simon, which is for you, obviously: The higher the self image, the higher risk of isolation? This is the question. Question mark. Because the outer world can potentially refute that self idea. I think, so, it comes to my mind the song by Simon & Garfunkel, which is quite similar to your name, I am an island, a Rock Island, and I'm carrying nobody, I have my books, my poetry and that's quite sad, but I can't. I don't know if you ever heard that song. It's by Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel. I can't remember.

EC:
I think I haven't.

MR:
The rock or the island. I can't remember the title. But I remember the song.

EC:
You send me later

MR:
Yeah, okay.

EC:
Well, regarding the specific question, it came to my mind, as soon as I read the question, the definition, the scientific definition of what a narcissist is. What is a narcissist? It's a person with an inflated ego image, inflated perception about his own self, their own selves. And that's not the only thing about the narcissism. This inflated, selfish ego and perception of their own selves comes following a prior trauma. A prior, a lower perception of their own selves and there is a reactive inflation of how they perceive themselves. So, let's say that someone scores high on a high IQ test. If that person needs a kind of argument, a kind of number. When we talk about IQs, we are talking about numbers. So, practically who can object a number. A number is a number. We need to accept it. Marco can confirm that. It's the power of numbers. So, there is a number confirming that this person is exceptional. This person is the best. This person is the smartest among anyone, any other around them. If this person develops a high self-image or if this person needs a high self-image, sometimes following a specific lower self-image, that this person may have in the past, may have had in the past, we can now understand that psychologically this person may need a high IQ, in order to establish an understanding of themselves among others. And probably, having such an understanding about who, about their own selves, it's very difficult to interact with anyone else. It's very difficult to relate with anyone. It's very difficult to share anything with anyone else. Actually, they are in a position to demand obedience and demand that other people will be submissive towards them.

MR:
Here...

EC:
Just because they want that.

MR:
Here is a need for us. What do you think about a society created to solve more applied problems? So, giving some kind of focus to a given IQ society, in order to try to solve a real life problem also. Which is...

EC:
I like the idea a lot. That's the reason, that I found some societies, as I told you, many decades ago. That's the concept and I think that's the point. That's a crucial point. And that's the only point of gathering people, who have exceptional abilities. The thing is not to give them a label, to give them a title, to give them some award or something else. It's to gather all of them and the group potential, the group dynamics there, the group, the abilities of any group member will contribute to achieving a specific goal, to helping, to finding a solution, to doing something practical.

MR:
Anteo Nieto, sorry, says good evening. Good evening to you. What do you think about failure. Our relationship with failure. Relation. In particular the right mentality to make the best of such situations. So winners and losers. Is it really important or we have to develop some kind of skills to face failure or so, I think.

EC:
Actually, I'm very fond of failure. I like failure a lot. As soon as I understand for myself that, apparently for any reason, and I need to investigate the reason, I just failed. That's a very important understanding. That's a very important outcome. When we need to evaluate where we are? How we approach our current choices? How we can develop further our own position in our own lives? How we can improve our functionality and our outcomes? Failure and success are actually different sides of the same coin, if we can say that. When we try something, we expose ourselves to two random outcomes. We can either succeed something, whatever we have in mind or we can fail. If we fail having made a specific choice, that's a very important, a very valuable lesson for us. And if we accept this lesson, instead of accusing ourselves or feeling low or being very strict towards ourselves, if we accept that the specific choice is the reason for our failure, then we have the option, we have the opportunity to reevaluate the choice. Reevaluate the way, the pathway towards achieving the specific thing we have in mind. Actually, we need to accept our failures. Failures are valuable by the way, because they give us valuable information about our way towards our happiness, our success. towards the life that we want to live. Failures show us the way.

MR:
I can't agree more with you. This is the last question.

EC:
Gracias.

MR:
Of course, by Tommaso Rossi: Hello, could you explain how a High IQ person lives a standard day and which are the differences with an average IQ person, for example going to a bar for breakfast and so on. So, this is quite broad, broad question for you.

EC:
I don't think there are differences or if there are differences then we are talking about a person who wants to pretend, who wants to exhibit a set of differences for the sake of differences and we need to investigate it a bit further, why this person needs to behave in a different way. A person with high abilities, a person with a high IQ, and now we directly related high IQ with high intelligence. Sometimes, a person who has achieved a high IQ is not really very intelligent. It's a person, who technically or practically or using any other, sometimes even illegal ways has given correct answers to an IQ test. That's not in all cases a person who is intelligent.

MR:
And with a proper subset of the whole set, which is intelligence.

EC:
As we said before a while, someone can purchase, can buy the answers and can give then answers and can have a high IQ. That doesn't really make him an intelligent person. On the other hand...

MR:
Worst case scenario, but it's real, so, it's not just...

EC:
On the other hand, any intelligent person is not, has not, by default, taken an IQ test already. Not all intelligent people around the world have taken IQ tests. So, practically, we are facing and we are dealing every day with intelligent people, who have never taken any IQ test, however they may be, they may be even more intelligent than the ones they took a test. Just to have that in mind. So, I was trying to answer the question. that living differently doesn't, is not really related to a high IQ. It's a matter of choice. It actually serves some specific needs from the side of the specific individual. The specific individual wants to be different and having a high IQ may be the reason, the ground, that this person accepts it, and wants to behave and live in a different way. Actually it gives him, a High IQ gives the reason to serve the specific person's need to be different.

MR:
Laura Mecchi again asks you, for you, I was wondering if it's possible to determine a certain unit of measurement of intelligence to be assigned to quantity, to quantify it. So, the problem of properly measure intelligence, but I think that we have the problem to properly define which is intelligence. So, this problem is an issue that comes before the real aspect of measuring intelligence.

EC:
When we refer to intelligence, we actually mean...

MR:
Yeah which is a true definition of intelligence? It can be so broad, that we can't, we can't really... The camera was... Okay, we are back. So, you were frozen and I can't understand if you we are, we are okay with your camera. Anyway, I think that there are just two trolls on the chat. And we are approaching the one hour of live streaming. So, I think it's good to end this interesting and fascinating live. And it's been a pleasure for me having us with, having you with us, and I wish you all the best and see you soon on the web, on the World Intelligence Network, I don't know.

EC:
Marco, thank you very much for this great opportunity, first of all to see you, to talk to you and then communicate with your audience. Thank you very much for your initiative. I really appreciate that. And by all means, we can arrange that again whenever you want.

MR:
Me too, me too. Thank you very much and, of course, the video will be available also on your channel, I think, so

EC:
Thank you.

MR:
People can watch it again still here or on your channel leaving a like and subscribing both our channels.

EC:
Thank you

MR:
Ciao Smarties. See you and stop.

EC:
Bye Bye